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Paul Clayton's avatar

Thank you for your thoughtful and measured argument. I do, however, disagree with some of it. In particular,

“If progressive criticism can sway men’s consumption habits, why is the manosphere still thriving?”

Don’t mean to nitpic, but ‘The Manosphere?’ I looked it up, “A loose collection of predominantly online anti-feminist movements.” It sounds like a derogatory term.

“If woke fiction is the problem, why isn’t explicitly anti-woke literature (e.g. books like Fuccboi, or anything from Passage Press) more popular?”

Are male literary readers limited to one or two relatable books? First off, men I know would not be drawn to, or even pluck off the shelf something titled, Fuccboi. And out of hundreds if not thousands of small presses, you pull out one, Passage Press. So, what are you saying? Women can own and rule publishing, and men can have Passage Press. That’s reserved for them. Well, ain’t that special.

Regarding the ‘victimhood’ part of this argument, I don’t look for victimhood in men’s literature, just maleness and realness, and yes, female characters that I can relate to, or not, but are honestly and realistically drawn.

I belong to a couple writers groups as well. They’re mostly women. And I recently read one manuscript, very well written, and very publishable today, but totally unrelatable to me. Why? Because the POV character, a woman, leads a crew of four men through a violent war like confrontation. The traditional roles are reversed. Clever, and entertaining, for most readers, because most readers are female, but not for me, and likely not for a lot of men.

“Progressives and literary elites aren’t driving men away from fiction.”

Okay, maybe not driving them away, just putting out feminist fiction they can’t relate to.

“Men are affirmatively choosing other forms of entertainment over books. The death of the literary man was a suicide.”

Choosing? I’m not so sure. If you raise your son on Big Macs and chocolate donuts, he may not be able to ‘choose’ good wholesome food later in life. Men, especially young men, if they’re assigned woke girl books in school, read less because they learn that books are not about them; books are for girls. They don’t see themselves and their values, ethos, problems in books. Yes, you have a point about gaming. Having raised a son and tried to instill a love of reading in him, I know that the rise of the internet especially took boys and young men away from the more challenging art of reading. I think people should ask themselves, why would a culture, a government, allow businesses to redirect young people, especially young men, from learning to read and into the sugary easiness of gaming? It is, to me, not unlike the educational system throwing away the requirement for cursive writing, mathematics without calculators, and yes, requiring reading challenging books.

“Others may worry about the culture of the online platforms men have replaced books with — the same platforms that helped usher in the rise of Trump, Andrew Tate, QAnon, and a general spirit of incel-dom.”

Here we go again, Trump did it. I call bullshit. This great migration away from literature into gaming began way before Trump got into politics. This purge and the gagging of male voices in literature started decades ago. Unless literary men parrot the new golden memes, they will not get into the women’s publishing tent.

“Need we list all the atrocious ideas that books have helped spread throughout history?”

‘Atrocious ideas?’ I think you’ve unwittingly nailed it. Yes, some ideas (via book technology) are atrocious. Take Michel Houellebecq, for instance. His criticism of aggressive Islam, and the sexism in his novels, are ‘atrocious’ enough to make him a target for assassination. And if he were assassinated, many of today’s literati wouldn’t give a shit. I don’t care what they say.

You seem to think that ideas should be kindly and thoughtful and fair and without prejudice, and inclusive, and diverse, and enlightened, and the list goes on… So, tell me, who decides what ideas are atrocious, and what are acceptable in the brave new literary world?

I think you’ve stumbled into the crux of the question. You have identified the endangered elephant, Free Speech. It’s all about who can speak (through writing literature) and what he or she can say. Yes, it really does get down to free speech. Andrew Breitbart had it right, and said it loud and clear just before he died mysteriously. (I guess this makes me sound paranoid. I don’t care because I am a little bit paranoid, and it has served me well.)

“Meanwhile, even stand-up comedy — as it grows in popularity among the ‘manosphere-types… ’”

(There you go again… normalizing the derogatory feminist term for male camaraderie.)

“Our goal, therefore, shouldn’t be to save books. It should be to make sure men and women are living emotionally and intellectually fulfilling lives, whatever that looks like.”

I disagree. That was never my goal. Why must literary writers now ENSURE that men and women live emotionally and intellectually fulfilling lives? What happened with just writing the world as we see it, good, bad or indifferent? What bible or church, or government did this new commandment come out of? Please give me the chapter and verse.

Finally, thank you for your valuable contribution to this important question.

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Patrick Cavanaugh Koroly's avatar

That’s one thing I’ve never quite seen proven: that there’s a large contingent of literary women to match the lack of literary men. Certainly, there are plenty more women who read regularly, but in my experience the ratio of women:men reading serious, difficult fiction today is somewhere around 50:50.

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